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brevoortformspring answered:
The medicine may not taste good, but if it makes you better, then you need to take it.
I like OMD. Simply because it got us to where we are now? Undoing it would undo everything else. And this is the best that Spider-Man has been in a long, LONG time
a) Are you fucking kidding? Currently Spider-Man is a secondary character in his own goddam book and has been a dudebro Peter Pan manchild since 2007. If you think that’s the best he’s been in a long time I question your barometer sir/madame
b) You do realise we could’ve gotten to where we are now WITHOUT One More Day right? The only stories you can tell with a single Spider-Man that you can’t with a married one are him going on dates, i.e. stories which were already told and sorted and boring long before the marriage came about. The few stories which have utilised the single status in such a way where it wouldn’t work if he was married have either been unnecessary and/or outright bad (see Back in Black Cat or anything involving Silk.
I’m not going to get in a big argument about this, because people are obviously going to have different opinions.
I will say, I grew up reading Spider-Man. I’ve been reading Spider-Man consistently for… 25 years now? So I grew up with Peter and MJ married. Peter and MJ are my endgame. I would LOVE to have them back together. This miniseries coming in Secret Wars, with the two of them married? I am ridiculously excited about it.
I just happen to think OMD presented an interesting opportunity, and BND, while getting off to a rough start, has led to some pretty good stories. Dan Slott loves this character so much, and his work on Spider-Man has been so, so good.
Also, I fucking love Cindy Moon, so in that we’re probably going to have to agree to disagree.
The opportunities it presented required neither a single Spider-Man nor what they did to get there. Tweak 90% of Post-OMD stories and you could have the exact same thing only Spider-Man would be married.
Furthermore, I just cannot see how things like Superior, which don’t even have Spider-Man in it, or Spider-Verse, which might as well not have Spider-Man in it, or Alpha, or Spider-Island, or Grim Hunt, or Shed, or Back in Black Cat are good to the point of justifying what they did to get there. And that’s the problem. Whether you regard the stories Post-OMD to be good or bad. The fact is they weren’t good enough to justify OMD itself, which was what they had to do. The rough start was unacceptable and being ‘pretty good’ is not good enough, because of how they got there. The ends didn’t justify the means whatsoever.
Look at Spider Island for instance. Something people loved about ti was that it broke up peter and Carlie and prominently featured MJ. But both those things were only appreciated BECAUSE of the BS that had come before. You could’ve done Spider Island and it could’ve been more or less the same just with a married Spider-Man who didn’t make a deal with Satan.
And that last part is the rub isn’t it. Peter Parke’rs character going forward has been forever compromised because…who cars they can just wipe the board clean and nothing has consequences, oh and also he’s a hypocritical loser whenever he does something heroic or responsible because he was summarily unheroic and irresponsible when it really mattered.
Dan Slott may or may not love the character, but it’s obvious by this point he’s bored of him or at least doesn’t like him half as much as he loved his creators pet Superior Spider-Man. And an author’s love is meaningless if as a craftsman he lacks skill and if he misunderstands the character.
Which Slott plainly does because he writes him as an irresponsible manchild. For God’s sake in Slott’s early Spider-Man work he had Peter Parker picket a funeral for paparazzi photos. He doesn’t get it, and probably never ever did.
His work ont he title has been far from good frankly and just been a load of childish, flash, bang whiz stuff. It lacks thoughtful contemplation, it lacks Spider-Man who’s the sum of his parts. It writes Spider-Man as a comedy character as opposed to a man who simply has a sense of humour.
And Cindy herself is proof of his lack of skill and of understanding with Spider-Man.
Cindy is a Mary Sue of the highest order. A creepy, disturbing, really really rapey problematic stereotype who’s better than Spider-Man just cos she is.
That, by no rational standard, can be considered good character writing. Hence why Slott himself has not procuded good work.
I mean when his run increases its sales when it’s not actually ABOUT Peter Parker, what more is there to say?
P.S. How can his Spider-Girl story in ASM #8 ever be considered good, seriously
Does anyone remember when during the Horizon Labs storyline Dan had Spidey beat Morbius (a vampire) nearly to death for losing control SLIGHTLY after The Lizard released blood into the ventilation system? He only stopped in his severe beating because Madam Web turned up. And then Peter dumped Morbius in The Raft without a trial, indefinitely, without telling him if his victim lived or not even though Morbius (remorsefully) pleaded to know. And this is BEFORE Doc Ock took Peter’s body! You know… a “Hero.” The writing REALLY improved after One more day (Sarcasm).
Precisely.
The real medicine fans need is stories told by creators who understand the plot serves the characters, not vice-versa, and for whom concepts like “characterization,” “arc,” “theme” and “subtext” aren’t dirty, shameful things to be avoided.
It’s a miracle I didn’t spontaneously combust and die when, as a kid, I picked up Spectacular Spider-Man 200 and fell in love with Peter, MJ and their world, leading to what used to be a very hefty pull list. Silly me actually thought how cool and how original, a superhero who is in love with his wife! How refreshing! How appealing, a book that not only had lots of action and supervillain fights - which I also love - but a side focus on interpersonal relationships and community! Silly me. Turns out J.M. DeMatteis and Mark Millar and Tom DeFalco and the Jim Salicrup-edited era (Michelinie/McFarlane are still the best selling Spider-Man creative team) and JMS and Matt Fraction’s awesome annual - all their dimensional, multi-layered stories - were “germs” while manchild, cardboard Peter, a passive bystander in his own book, sticking his tongue down the throat of a Mary Sue with magical plot device webs and instalust pheromones is “medicinal.” Who knew? Consider me schooled.
But I’m just a girl. Comics aren’t for me in the first place. Good thing I no longer give Marvel a single penny these days, because it’s hella-Manara obvious they don’t want my money.
Pretty much this. When OMD first happened, I figured that I’d boycot the book for a few issues, and then I’d be pulled back in, because it’s Spidey, you know. The one character who was the linchpin for my interest in comics. The adorkable heroic underdog who was all about responsibility. I figured that no matter how much I hated the end of the marriage,that it would still be Spidey. You know, like I did during the clone saga, when they brought in Ben Reilly.
But then I read some of the issues post OMD and to my horror, it wasn’t Spidey.
It was no longer Peter Parker. Not the Peter who responsibly took care of his aunt, not the Peter who respected women, who cared more about others than himself; Not the Peter who’s life sucked, because helping others was more important to him than taking care of his own needs.
Instead Slott’s ‘Peter Parker’ was a worthless, irresponsible, rape condoning loser. A piece of garbage with no likable traits whatsoever. A character so badly written, that even a life-long Spider-Man fan like me couldn’t find anything worth redeeming about it.
I have yet to see a single ASM issue written by Slott that adds tot he story, rather than takes away from it. Even a single panel that somehow makes the damage that Slott has done worth it.
Dan Slott doesn’t get Spider-Man, but worse than that, he doesn’t get Peter Parker and never has. And as long as OMD isn’t undone, and we don’t get back the real Spider-Man, I’ll keep on refusing to waste money on the moronic Spider-Loser as Slott is writing him.
THIS.
Although, may I say, it’s such a…pleasure….to have the Senior Vice President of Marvel Publishing admit One More Day is distasteful and unpalatable? Gosh, um, thanks!
And hey, I guess it worked because Amazing Spider-Loser sell gud, no? Even though despite the explosion of variant covers and #1s and Loot Crate inflation and movie publicity push, the current monthly sales still don’t come near the post marriage/pre Clone Saga monthly numbers. Which, by the “logic” demonstrated here by Marvel editorial, should have been the nadir of Amazing Spider-Man sales, not the apex.
